Dragonball Game Project Age 2012???

[Zienzo]

Well, it will only cripple it of it isn't done right. Knowing Spike that may be so, but I don't like to say that sorta stuff...

But Zienzo, fans have been saying for a good few years now that the game is just the "same thing", and you know what they mean by that? The fighting system. All it is is smash attack 1 through to 6 for each character; it's been like that for years with Spike. Each character moves in the same robotic way. It's all the same. Things need to change, and I understand their attempt at changing things didn't go well at all, but I'm pretty sure a RB3 won't do it for many people.

The benefits of making a RB3: A bigger roster can be sustained, so can stages, modes, and whatever else they want to do. This option is basically the safest option if I think about it.
The disadvantages: They are less likely to be able to change specific things like movement, unique properties, and such due to having to do so for so many character's in a restricted time. This means that they'd likely have to prioritse certain things. Also for many people improvements probably won't be big enough for us to say "this isn't the same thing 'ey".

An all new fighting game (considering they have certain things in mind) from scratch could make sure each character is different, allow for a system which means every character has their "own" 6 moves (for the least), means they can change up the way character's move and other things. The disadvantages ofcourse would be that they'd likely have to settle for a smaller roster, an "in-complete" story mode if one at all and probably less stages.

I just don't think a sequel of anything we have now would do it for me, unless they improved upon RB (the first one).

Stop hiding behind that.
Another swap will keep the roster slashed, keep the content slashed, etc. We all know very well that there are people here to do not care about content and more of just gameplay. However have you read the reactions to a small roster? It's game-deciding to most people.
Put your own desires aside. Put the forum's desires aside. Think of all of the comments. All of them from any site. Facebook, youtube, etc. Majority want characters. Majority want flash.
You say fans have been saying this for years. I have only seen it on this site and every once in a while on youtube. It is a minority. Only major, major fans discuss this type of stuff on the the Internet. The common fans are the masses that show up. The common fan; the common purchaser puts down simple comments like, "I really wanted _______ to be in. Guess I won't get this game."
Expanding on RB would do nothing for the people who dislike it. You'll hear the same complaining from then. An entirely new game wont survive.

If only there was more time. If there was more time, I wouldn't be saying all of this. HOWEVER in one year, it will bury a game if they created everything from scratch.

[Zuumaester]

If only there was more time. If there was more time, I wouldn't be saying all of this. HOWEVER in one year, it will bury a game if they created everything from scratch.

UT was almost buried, but it did have a few things that were/are interesting and could be used and built upon in future games. But like you said, if they were making a game from scratch, thinking it was a wise choice and then the fans crank down upon them saying that the Online mode or somesuch is broken or that the game lacks heavily in specific areas, then what?!?

[Zienzo]

UT was almost buried, but it did have a few things that were/are interesting and could be used and built upon in future games. But like you said, if they were making a game from scratch, thinking it was a wise choice and then the fans crank down upon them saying that the Online mode or somesuch is broken or that the game lacks heavily in specific areas, then what?!?

I'm simply talking about a new game mechanic. They can keep graphics and characters but to add a newly built battle mechanic would be much more than the current time they are alloted.
There is a reason why they have been using the same animations for years; they don't have any time to make new ones.

BT -> BT3 - Updates and character additions [as was the type of thing to do with games back then]
Raging Blast - Sacrificed characters and combos for time to polish crisp new graphics and mechanic tweaks. Dispersed all smashes amongst the characters.
Raging Blast 2 - Time was consumed when they focused on bringing in many more characters and changing the graphics. Added simple combo system.
Ultimate Tenkaichi - Sacrificed characters [again] to focus their time on graphics change [again] and new battle system along with a detailed story mode.

One year of time will never make everyone happy. I do not understand why so many people ask for everything at once when they should know better. It must go one step at a time. If everything is always rejected the game will never advance in the time it is given. Only one thing can be done at a time for the developing team is only so large. Where do the priorities lie? It's completely subjective but everyone shouts at once and the majority control it. However the minority has the most impact.

[Night]

if you don't know by now Ultimate Tenkaichi is Project Age

[Zuumaester]

if you don't know by now Ultimate Tenkaichi is Project Age

That was Project Age "2011", this is "2012" we are talking about.

[Donie95]

Stop hiding behind that.
Another swap will keep the roster slashed, keep the content slashed, etc. We all know very well that there are people here to do not care about content and more of just gameplay. However have you read the reactions to a small roster? It's game-deciding to most people.
Put your own desires aside. Put the forum's desires aside. Think of all of the comments. All of them from any site. Facebook, youtube, etc. Majority want characters. Majority want flash.
You say fans have been saying this for years. I have only seen it on this site and every once in a while on youtube. It is a minority. Only major, major fans discuss this type of stuff on the the Internet. The common fans are the masses that show up. The common fan; the common purchaser puts down simple comments like, "I really wanted _______ to be in. Guess I won't get this game."
Expanding on RB would do nothing for the people who dislike it. You'll hear the same complaining from then. An entirely new game wont survive.

If only there was more time. If there was more time, I wouldn't be saying all of this. HOWEVER in one year, it will bury a game if they created everything from scratch.

Hiding? How can I be using this as an excuse, if it's a simple fact. You saying that a makeover in some cases has no good points?

"Put your own desires aside" No. I honestly do not care about any other fan out there on the internet, on the street, where ever others may be; I only have and should have my own interests when buying a game, in mind. And you should too, as should any/everyone. I know this isn't the point you're trying to make, but still, if they continue upon the system the next game is a must-not-buy for me. You say the majority wants this, or that, but thing is sales are dropping, and with current gen limitations sustaining a high roster, even with combat as shallow as RB2, it's not very easy, and so the devs find themselves putting priority in here and there, only to learn there efforts do not prevail, again.

The fact is less and less people are deciding to put up with crap from Namdai, me included. Who else? So has Nasiso, Badboynic2010, and I'm sure there are others. What's a RB3 gonna do for the franchise on a whole? Forget about for that one game, how about for the future, how is it gonna be possible to improve the gameplay, in a year, for two hundred characters? Gameplay must be balanced in any game, if you imporove the mechanics of one fighter you are expected to share it along the others, but if you have sooo many character's then it will be too long and tedious to do the same thing for each. So what then? What for the future of that franchise? They obviously won't be able to improve the combat to a high enough degree, so will they improve the story, bring in a new set of graphics, new modes? Is that all the future is for games like these?


Anyway, I don't know if you agree, but if they get a decent combat/gameplay system down first as a foundation from the first installment, then the future will most indefinitely shine for sequels, where they could just improve (& add character's), improve (add character's), improve (add character's), shall I go on?

Yeah, maybe starting again may seem absurd to many people, but any other way won't gurantee me a copy of next year's Dragonball Game Project Age 2011.

[Zuumaester]

Anyway, I don't know if you agree, but if they get a decent combat/gameplay system down first as a foundation from the first installment, then the future will most indefinitely shine for sequels, where they could just improve (& add character's), improve (add character's), improve (add character's).

Not necessarily if the next game only adds like 12 extra characters because they all have to fight 100% differently in that case, and with virtually no gimmicks added to that sequel, then the fans might actually say it is exactly the same game as the prior one and be bored that it hasn't any new "anything", even if it has 12 extra characters to the roster.

Yeah, maybe starting again may seem absurd to many people, but any other way won't gurantee me a copy of next year's Dragonball Game Project Age 2011.

If you cut content for a gameplay system that has no depth, then that makes that any progress the past games may have had have been for nothing, unless they went back and made a merger, without the classic storymode which i am so tired of.

[Donie95]

Don't reply to this comment, I'm tired of seeing your name as last post all over this place...

[Zienzo]

Anyway, I don't know if you agree, but if they get a decent combat/gameplay system down first as a foundation from the first installment, then the future will most indefinitely shine for sequels, where they could just improve (& add character's), improve (add character's), improve (add character's), shall I go on?

This, this is exactly what I'm trying to say.
Looking at sales for dimps, they've declined from Budokai 3 as well and they were the ones who tried to restart with Burst Limit. Burst Limit was praised for breathing life into the game but it lacked so much content that it was game deciding to people and it shows.
You may not care, and I sure as hell don't care, but people do care about the content of the game just as much as gameplay. People ask for everything at once and are upset when they do not get it.

And for the record, why would you think this:

"Put your own desires aside" No. I honestly do not care about any other fan out there on the internet, on the street, where ever others may be; I only have and should have my own interests when buying a game, in mind. And you should too, as should any/everyone.

I do not care about others opinions on games either. I bought Ultimate Tenkaichi because I thought it looked fun, and guess what, I love it. Hell I even put up with someone on the psn badgering me for getting it.
What annoys me is when other people put their own views ahead of logic. Do you honestly think refreshing the series again is a good idea? Look at past examples. I know you want a different type of DBZ game but restarting again is going to end up exactly like the others. That will fail because the fans cannot get what they want and will demand a restart of the restart. This goes in a circle and no one seems to realize it.

[Zienzo]

If you cut content for a gameplay system that has no depth, then that makes that any progress the past games may have had have been for nothing, unless they went back and made a merger, without the classic storymode which i am so tired of.

Exactly, Zuu.