If this game was named something else..... [Archive]

Kotsuki

11-06-2011, 04:53 PM

I guess the reason why the Ultimate Tenkaichi title had a lot of attention just because they thought it was a "''true sequel" to BT3 when they KNOW it wasn't supposed to be. -_____-

*sigh* Typical brainwashed fans....

Actually the fans voted on the title. Spike didnt do a single thing to trick anyone. Your the one who's brainwashed with paranoia and pessimism -.-

Veku

11-06-2011, 04:57 PM

Actually the fans voted on the title. Spike didnt do a single thing to trick anyone. Your the one who's brainwashed with paranoia and pessimism -.-

That's what I was trying to say. Spike and Namco were clear of that too. Now the fans are hating on the game because it's not Tenkaichi.

And I wasn't trying to be a pessimist.

ProjectLDV

11-06-2011, 05:16 PM

Then it would get a WHOLE different view, don't you guys think?

To me if this was named Saiyan Rising or something, it wouldn't have that much attention like the title Ultimate Tenkaichi had.

It would get the exact same reaction though because it came out in place of something other people wanted.

@Veku - You're doing that thing you do again.

TreloBifteki

11-06-2011, 05:19 PM

Zuumaester

11-06-2011, 05:58 PM

If the fans knew about character creation, then the title "Saiyan Rising" would have been the most voted one...

People just picked Ultimate Tenkaichi because they wanted a true Tenkaichi sequel onto their next-gen consoles.

More like "Awakening Saiyans" since the belated title has a bearing on you achieving Ssj in Hero mode. It is a pity and shame we do not possess a time machine, but chances are our past will be unaffected and the guy who timetravels to the past will "never" be seen again!

Frieza_Soldier

11-06-2011, 06:30 PM

If this game was a different series it would sure as hell get more hate, but just because its DBZ it gets all the excuses in the world.

I guess the reason why the Ultimate Tenkaichi title had a lot of attention just because they thought it was a "''true sequel" to BT3 when they KNOW it wasn't supposed to be. -_____- *sigh* Typical brainwashed fans....
Actually the fans voted on the title. Spike didnt do a single thing to trick anyone. Your the one who's brainwashed with paranoia and pessimism -.-
Ultimate tenkaichi was the lead title because people thought it was going to be as spike said it would be. Spike said they were going back to the succesful Tenkaichi style and people assumed they were going to do just that. It was a publicity stunt and a misleading announcement and little info released. A devious plot which worked.

That's what I was trying to say. Spike and Namco were clear of that too. Now the fans are hating on the game because it's not Tenkaichi..
Or maybe because to most it was spike's best game, no gimmicks, no lies, just improvement. Not the best ever but it was their best. People prefer the gameplay and content that series gave over the backwards era spike is going through.

GF9000000Returns

11-06-2011, 06:53 PM

Ultimate tenkaichi was the lead title because people thought it was going to be as spike said it would be. Spike said they were going back to the succesful Tenkaichi style and people assumed they were going to do just that. It was a publicity stunt and a misleading announcement and little info released. A devious plot which worked.

Only by controls, they said the controls are from the Tenkaichi herritage. Other than that, I think this game shouldn't have had that title. Spike and Namco Bandai made it clear that this was a brand new DBZ game like never before.

Zuumaester

11-06-2011, 07:43 PM

Only by controls, they said the controls are from the Tenkaichi herritage. Other than that, I think this game shouldn't have had that title. Spike and Namco Bandai made it clear that this was a brand new DBZ game like never before.

Yes, but that was a total lie. Ki-charge was still at D-pad down instead of L2. Also unlike the RB series, you have absolutely "0" control over the camera in UT. Nope! Not even left or right on the D-pad works anymore.

Nasiso

11-07-2011, 12:29 AM

If this game didn't have DBZ in it's title it'd be one of the worst games of all time.

Zienzo

11-07-2011, 03:16 AM

Hum... I think it's time I leave the forum again until the next game is announced...
Nothing left here except for those whom are still dwelling on the game they don't like... bitter, killjoys and the likes.

ProjectLDV

11-07-2011, 05:03 AM

You've got every right to leave but is it so hard to ignore someone with a different opinion? Also you've gotta realize that this topic in of itself can be considered bait.

MysticGospel

11-07-2011, 12:03 PM

You've got every right to leave but is it so hard to ignore someone with a different opinion? Also you've gotta realize that this topic in of itself can be considered bait.
You mean those who make up the majority of the forum? Those who will continue to say the same crap that they've been saying for the past 9 months despite not buying the game? Maybe when it's the opposition that makes up the minority like in your case it's easy, but when they don't it's not so easy.

Besides this forum is dying anyway, people only came here for info about the game and since the game's out, gotta wait until next May. Some community, just a glorified BT3 section from ataricommunity.

Kokos

11-07-2011, 01:00 PM

^The last part is probably true if Raging Blast 2 is any indication. Few people actually talk about the game itself. The quality and content of the game shouldn't be an excuse for this.

But I think Ultimate Tenkaichi was not a good idea, I know it was chosen by a part of the fanbase but it's still a little misleading and the name alone probably automatically raises high expectations, be it consciously or subconsciously.
I would've liked the 'Tenkaichi' name in it with another subtitel. Tenkaichi Z would've been better but I don't like the actual name.

Zienzo

11-07-2011, 06:19 PM

You've got every right to leave but is it so hard to ignore someone with a different opinion? Also you've gotta realize that this topic in of itself can be considered bait.

I like to think I do a fairly decent job of ignoring those others. However if there is never any conversation that I can contribute in, why should I try?

Zuumaester

11-07-2011, 07:08 PM

I like to think I do a fairly decent job of ignoring those others. However if there is never any conversation that I can contribute in, why should I try?

Start a conversation regarding something that everyone has or would want in common, then see what happens. That's more or less like an example.

Badboynic1010

11-07-2011, 07:32 PM

Besides this forum is dying anyway, people only came here for info about the game and since the game's out, gotta wait until next May

Which is the reason I left the Fbook group. It just got very boring.

Zienzo

11-07-2011, 07:34 PM

Start a conversation regarding something that everyone has or would want in common, then see what happens. That's more or less like an example.

Thank you for your advise, Zuu, I wouldn't have guessed it on my own. Talking about things that people have in common, I should have known to do that sooner.

ProjectLDV

11-07-2011, 08:01 PM

@ MG, Zien & Kokos - I feel you. I can understand where you're coming from. As probably the largest detractor on the entire internet I know full well that I have trolled the hell out of these forums for a good while now. I don't regret a single letter, I won't take back any insults or offensive things I've said because I believe I am 100% undeniably correct in my opinion on every DBZ game in existence, that said. I have burnt myself out with the constant whining. A lot of you are reasonable guys & because of that I have been unable to continue the negative diatribe towards the games.

In the past few weeks I've grown tired of the same debates every single day. We all know the faults, we all know what's wrong from Shueisha down to the fanbase, time to move on. I've come to the point where I would rather stay on the forum & discuss the game without buying anything. 6 years has made it painfully obvious what to expect. There's two options, stay, discuss the game, ignore blatant & blind fanboyism or just leave. At the end of the day its a damn game & whether the effects of accepting the quality of games affects life as a whole or not is quite irrelevant as no one on this board can do squat about it beyond no spending their money.

So its time to go from pessimistic to apathetic(not that big of a jump but I'm seriously trying the best I can). As for anyone else...well. I dunno. I don't run their lives & I wouldn't want to.

Kokos

11-07-2011, 08:18 PM

I'm not sure why that is directed to me as well but that's okay.

I'm not particularly bothered by anyone here (except for maybe Misa if she makes stupid arguments again but I just shrug it off after reading those), I just get the impression that many who dislike this game are going really overboard, as if this is the second coming of Big Rigs and they act like they have the game (when they've stated they don't) by just watching and analysing on Youtube.

Watching and analysing the mechanics on Youtube is one thing but judging the entire game is something entirely else. I believe there's more to games than the gameplay and its mechanics. It's a little foolish to believe you get the full experience by watching it on Youtube but that's what a lot of people seem to believe.

But I get the feeling not many here play games for the experience, more for the actual gameplay, probably because a lot of people here are mainly experienced in fighting games.

ProjectLDV

11-07-2011, 08:46 PM

I can only speak for myself but after playing B3/IW, NA, BT2/3 a lot then going on YT & searching for high level play & then replicating it on my own or with friends I've started to develop a keen sense of observation when watching trailers or gameplay vids. I know what to look for, I know what I'm judging & waiting to see & I come to a conclusion. When I actually play the game I'm not far off. Its made easier by the fact that these games aren't serious fighters & just simple games for a more casual audience. Most of it is what you see, what you get. Most are surface level.

The main thing you have to play & test is to see what mechanics or moves are broken or not & how characters stack up on tiers & match ups.

I judge these games on two criteria, how the measure up to the fights in the series based on character design. The mechanics the game has.

However due to knowledge of how Shueisha & Namdai operate its useless to grade these games to that standard.

& you're right, I don't care about an experience. I don't look for some feeling or emotion in a game alone, I look for those things in competition with someone else.

Zuumaester

11-07-2011, 09:00 PM

@Kokos. I may have been a little too hard on the game after all, while it is extremely lacking in almost everything, the first time i won my first Very Hard battle against Cell Jr. with Ginyu, i felt the most awesomest neckburn i've ever felt!! That feeling alone made me think: Oh hell YES, HAHA!!! Let's play this crappy game!

Kokos

11-07-2011, 09:07 PM

Zuumaester

11-07-2011, 09:11 PM

Extremely lacking in almost everything? That's a hyperbole. I don't think the graphics, presentation, soundtrack and game modes are anywhere near "extremely lacking".
I could understand the gameplay and the roster being "extremely lacking" but almost everything?

I did not mean the graphics, presentation or soundtracks. Hero mode and Story on the other hand do lack, but not extremely. I just used that word to put more weight in my post.

Have you ever had a neckburn before Kokos? It is this feeling that makes you pause and touch the back of your neck to feel the heat, and then think of something awesome.

ProjectLDV

11-07-2011, 09:13 PM

Now this is mostly subjective but I don't like the models, they look like dolls with painted on expressions, I prefer BL's models without so much damn gloss.

The presentation is okay but the cutscenes were thin on me. The in game cutscenes I like because they're so bad that they are hilarious. Its the kind of thing I'd watch over & over again just to get that silly laugh in.

The soundtracks are pretty solid.

The only game modes I care about are ones where I fight people.

The roster? I don't care about that either really. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Frieza, Cell & Buu are in? I've already said 10 characters with superb gameplay(not you Hyper Dimension) would satisfy me for a long time.

Ultimately I(as in LDV) don't play a fighting game made from a fighting series to listen to soundtracks, look at pretty graphics & watch cutscenes, I watch movies & anime for that. I play a game to play. I play a fighting game to whoop ass. That's why I have to leave DBZ games alone now, its clear they're not made for people to whoop ass in properly.

Zuumaester

11-07-2011, 09:18 PM

Now this is mostly subjective but I don't like the models, they look like dolls with painted on expressions, I prefer BL's models without so much damn gloss.

The presentation is okay but the cutscenes were thin on me. The in game cutscenes I like because they're so bad that they are hilarious. Its the kind of thing I'd watch over & over again just to get that silly laugh in.

Because when Vegeta is looking for the moon there is an ingame cutscene where he howls at Kakarot, then stands there in that pose for about 6 unneccessary seconds then starts to move VERY SLOWLY as a stone statue.

The soundtracks are pretty solid.

The only game modes I care about are ones where I fight people.

Meaning Online and Versus?

The roster? I don't care about that either really. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Frieza, Cell & Buu are in? I've already said 10 characters with superb gameplay(not you Hyper Dimension) would satisfy me for a long time.

Ultimately I(as in LDV) don't play a fighting game made from a fighting series to listen to soundtracks, look at pretty graphics & watch cutscenes, I watch movies & anime for that. I play a game to play. I play a fighting game to whoop ass. That's why I have to leave DBZ games alone now, its clear they're not made for people to whoop ass in properly.

Well ain't that a shame?!?

Kokos

11-07-2011, 09:24 PM

I did not mean the graphics, presentation or soundtracks. Hero mode and Story on the other hand do lack, but not extremely. I just used that word to put more weight in my post.

Have you ever had a neckburn before Kokos? It is this feeling that makes you pause and touch the back of your neck to feel the heat, and then think of something awesome.

I can't say I ever had a case of a neck burn and frankly, I don't feel like talking about that, I'd rather talk about the game.

Now this is mostly subjective but I don't like the models, they look like dolls with painted on expressions, I prefer BL's models without so much damn gloss.

The presentation is okay but the cutscenes were thin on me. The in game cutscenes I like because they're so bad that they are hilarious. Its the kind of thing I'd watch over & over again just to get that silly laugh in.

The soundtracks are pretty solid.

The only game modes I care about are ones where I fight people.

The roster? I don't care about that either really. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Frieza, Cell & Buu are in? I've already said 10 characters with superb gameplay(not you Hyper Dimension) would satisfy me for a long time.

Ultimately I(as in LDV) don't play a fighting game made from a fighting series to listen to soundtracks, look at pretty graphics & watch cutscenes, I watch movies & anime for that. I play a game to play. I play a fighting game to whoop ass. That's why I have to leave DBZ games alone now, its clear they're not made for people to whoop ass in properly.

(Just wanted to quote you, just so you know I do acknowledge what you say)

Zuumaester

11-07-2011, 09:30 PM

Just wanted you guys to know that the Auras, yet again in UT has no soundfiles. But apparently the fighting styles DO have the soundfiles since i just discovered on my Heavy build if i equipped "Broly style" on him, i got the Eraser sound for my aura. This is all weird. O.o

ProjectLDV

11-07-2011, 09:31 PM

I can't say I ever had a case of a neck burn and frankly, I don't feel like talking about that, I'd rather talk about the game.

(Just wanted to quote you, just so you know I do acknowledge what you say)

Fair enough.

Frieza_Soldier

11-07-2011, 10:21 PM

Only by controls, they said the controls are from the Tenkaichi herritage. Other than that, I think this game shouldn't have had that title. Spike and Namco Bandai made it clear that this was a brand new DBZ game like never before.
It seems even more pointless just doing that. RB had better controls in that competition.

Veku

11-08-2011, 01:19 AM

Nasiso

11-08-2011, 01:39 AM

I'll have to say, some fans have a trouble remembering stuff. I admit, I picked that title Ultimate Tenkaichi too just because I thought the others didn't make any sense. I bet that's the reason why some fans chose that title too because of that.

Man, if ONLY Spike would just explain more about the game and 5% of the Hero Mode when they first announced it, all of this "This isn't Tenkaichi" crap wouldn't happen. I mean, the change didn't just randomly happened, people asked for it rather if it's something like this game or an RPG.

But they were billing this as a return to Tenkaichi. I remember vividly so since I was talking about while I was pissed at the fact that that basically meant these past 2 years were wasted, it was going to probably be an overall better change, so there was some reason for optimism.

One of the things that make me really mad about this (among others) is I have no idea what the heck they were thinking when they said that they were combining what people "liked" from B3 and BT3. First off, I don't have a clue how this game relates to Tenkaichi at all, while all they took from B3 was making a jarring switch into a 2D plane and giving us Dragon Rush-like mechanics, which is what basically everyone hated.

Veku

11-08-2011, 01:54 AM

But they were billing this as a return to Tenkaichi. I remember vividly so since I was talking about while I was pissed at the fact that that basically meant these past 2 years were wasted, it was going to probably be an overall better change, so there was some reason for optimism.

One of the things that make me really mad about this (among others) is I have no idea what the heck they were thinking when they said that they were combining what people "liked" from B3 and BT3. First off, I don't have a clue how this game relates to Tenkaichi at all, while all they took from B3 was making a jarring switch into a 2D plane and giving us Dragon Rush-like mechanics, which is what basically everyone hated.

I don't get it, because they made it clear that this game was something new. Like GF9 said; only by the controls that they were trying to put in from the BT series, because a lot of people had trouble with the RB controls. And Like I said again; the fans asked for changes and here it is. I'm not saying they have to like the changes, but at least accept them because they've been trashing the RB games for too long by calling them "the same game".