Dragonball Game Project Age 2012???

[Zuumaester]

??? Is this for real? http://www.facebook.com/notes/dbzanto/summary-of-the-namco-bandai-games-community-day-october-7th-2011-by-treevax/202875236453090

It's from Treevax/Nostal by Dbzanto, and i'm not sure what to believe. Maybe they knew that UT was going to bust hard and now they're trying to mend the situation?!?

[SSJ-Luffy]

Over 9000% true -.-

[ProjectLDV]

No. They're preparing the next annual milk game right on schedule.

[Zienzo]

Eh? They're setting the next game up already?

[TheSlikkMick]

Its not going to change. They wont change the time limits, they wont add another company and specifically said this in the post. and most likely they wont change the gameplay to more hardcore

[3nigmaticStyle]

Don't worry guys I'm sure they're going to get it right next year..*sarcasm*

[Zuumaester]

Its not going to change. They wont change the time limits, they wont add another company and specifically said this in the post. and most likely they wont change the gameplay to more hardcore

1. Pretty sad about that.

2. Uncertain, but we'll see.

[Donie95]

They better, or I'm not returning.

[Dan_Dx]

Just wait three years and it'll be like the time limits changed.

[Frieza_Soldier]

And still all anyone talks about is the creation and how stupid spike aparantly is for only giving you three slots.
does anyone seriously know WHY the gameplay sucks? because from what I'm reading its the fact that its repeatitive. Thats it?

[Zuumaester]

And still all anyone talks about is the creation and how stupid spike aparantly is for only giving you three slots.
does anyone seriously know WHY the gameplay sucks? because from what I'm reading its the fact that its repeatitive. Thats it?

I can think of a few things: Lack of freedom(pretty much obvious), Extremely limited controls, Only two routes of pursuits(should have been three, one for ki-decrease, one for spirit-increase and one for fatigue-increase) and mindbogglingly bad camera.

[misa]

Regarding the decline in sales of the latest games, we were reminded that the increase in listening to the fans is really the "awakening" Dragonball games. And we were also reminded that the purpose of any business is to make the turnover. Therefore, if sales continue to drop a game to another, this will cause the logical end of the Dragonball games. If games are more profitable, it will be the logical end. The producer will focus on a different vein.

If Namco Bandai loses DBZ license, another company will take it. This won't happen, Tony should not be using statements such as if the sales are going down, DBZ games will end, I don't think this scares many of the fans. Atari might take back the license or any other company, may be Konami!

We aren't going to buy an incomplete game to save the DB franchise from ending at the hands of Namco Bandai. Deliver a complete game and you would see a better sale.

DBZ is like a fortune for Namco Bandai to hold on to it for as long as possible.

[SSJ-Luffy]

if namco bandai loses dbz license, another company will take it. This won't happen, tony should not be using statements such as if the sales are going down, dbz games will end, i don't think this scares many of the fans. Atari might take back the license or any other company, may be konami!

Dbz is like a fortune for namco bandai to hold on to it for as long as possible.

welcome back, misa :3333333333333333333

[Kotsuki]

i guess we wait for E3 XD See you all on youtube until then =)

[Zuumaester]

i guess we wait for E3 XD See you all on youtube until then =)

We won't know for sure if this information is entirely correct until next year, that's for sure!

[GF9000000Returns]

It's either that or an RB3.

[Frieza_Soldier]

It's either that or an RB3.
Most likely Namco will:

- Keep Spike anyway (for whatever reason...regardless, Tony seems to love them. However do to this games poorer reception then RB2, they might look into getting someone else, a smart company would fire them respectably. They tried but they're work is dated and they will never fully utilize the console's power.)

- Get a new company (They better I mean if they care for the fans then they should care for the quality)

- Sell out the Name (not likely, DBZ is so tightly wrapped around their hands I doubt they would ever give it up) Namco is greedy with this franchise, they know its the easiest to sell and people will buy it no matter what and find any excusse possible to force themself to like the game and preach it. Not to mention DBZ to them is pocket change, they invest in Tekken and Soul calibur anyway. Correct me if Im wrong but this is probably the worst sold DBZ game ever.)

[Donie95]

If they go and do a RB3 it will flop. If they go and do an UT2, it will flop. They need to create an all new game, get rid of smash attacks and think fresh. Bring in two attack buttons and all new movement and properties for each character. They need to start taking their games for proper fighting games. Whether in 2D or 3D.

[Zienzo]

Another mechanic change will cripple the game again... That's something many here seem to have a problem with.

[Donie95]

Another mechanic change will cripple the game again... That's something many here seem to have a problem with.

Well, it will only cripple it of it isn't done right. Knowing Spike that may be so, but I don't like to say that sorta stuff...

But Zienzo, fans have been saying for a good few years now that the game is just the "same thing", and you know what they mean by that? The fighting system. All it is is smash attack 1 through to 6 for each character; it's been like that for years with Spike. Each character moves in the same robotic way. It's all the same. Things need to change, and I understand their attempt at changing things didn't go well at all, but I'm pretty sure a RB3 won't do it for many people.

The benefits of making a RB3: A bigger roster can be sustained, so can stages, modes, and whatever else they want to do. This option is basically the safest option if I think about it.
The disadvantages: They are less likely to be able to change specific things like movement, unique properties, and such due to having to do so for so many character's in a restricted time. This means that they'd likely have to prioritse certain things. Also for many people improvements probably won't be big enough for us to say "this isn't the same thing 'ey".

An all new fighting game (considering they have certain things in mind) from scratch could make sure each character is different, allow for a system which means every character has their "own" 6 moves (for the least), means they can change up the way character's move and other things. The disadvantages ofcourse would be that they'd likely have to settle for a smaller roster, an "in-complete" story mode if one at all and probably less stages.

I just don't think a sequel of anything we have now would do it for me, unless they improved upon RB (the first one).

[Zienzo]

Well, it will only cripple it of it isn't done right. Knowing Spike that may be so, but I don't like to say that sorta stuff...

But Zienzo, fans have been saying for a good few years now that the game is just the "same thing", and you know what they mean by that? The fighting system. All it is is smash attack 1 through to 6 for each character; it's been like that for years with Spike. Each character moves in the same robotic way. It's all the same. Things need to change, and I understand their attempt at changing things didn't go well at all, but I'm pretty sure a RB3 won't do it for many people.

The benefits of making a RB3: A bigger roster can be sustained, so can stages, modes, and whatever else they want to do. This option is basically the safest option if I think about it.
The disadvantages: They are less likely to be able to change specific things like movement, unique properties, and such due to having to do so for so many character's in a restricted time. This means that they'd likely have to prioritse certain things. Also for many people improvements probably won't be big enough for us to say "this isn't the same thing 'ey".

An all new fighting game (considering they have certain things in mind) from scratch could make sure each character is different, allow for a system which means every character has their "own" 6 moves (for the least), means they can change up the way character's move and other things. The disadvantages ofcourse would be that they'd likely have to settle for a smaller roster, an "in-complete" story mode if one at all and probably less stages.

I just don't think a sequel of anything we have now would do it for me, unless they improved upon RB (the first one).

Stop hiding behind that.
Another swap will keep the roster slashed, keep the content slashed, etc. We all know very well that there are people here to do not care about content and more of just gameplay. However have you read the reactions to a small roster? It's game-deciding to most people.
Put your own desires aside. Put the forum's desires aside. Think of all of the comments. All of them from any site. Facebook, youtube, etc. Majority want characters. Majority want flash.
You say fans have been saying this for years. I have only seen it on this site and every once in a while on youtube. It is a minority. Only major, major fans discuss this type of stuff on the the Internet. The common fans are the masses that show up. The common fan; the common purchaser puts down simple comments like, "I really wanted _______ to be in. :( Guess I won't get this game."
Expanding on RB would do nothing for the people who dislike it. You'll hear the same complaining from then. An entirely new game wont survive.

If only there was more time. If there was more time, I wouldn't be saying all of this. HOWEVER in one year, it will bury a game if they created everything from scratch.

[Zuumaester]

If only there was more time. If there was more time, I wouldn't be saying all of this. HOWEVER in one year, it will bury a game if they created everything from scratch.

UT was almost buried, but it did have a few things that were/are interesting and could be used and built upon in future games. But like you said, if they were making a game from scratch, thinking it was a wise choice and then the fans crank down upon them saying that the Online mode or somesuch is broken or that the game lacks heavily in specific areas, then what?!?

[Zienzo]

UT was almost buried, but it did have a few things that were/are interesting and could be used and built upon in future games. But like you said, if they were making a game from scratch, thinking it was a wise choice and then the fans crank down upon them saying that the Online mode or somesuch is broken or that the game lacks heavily in specific areas, then what?!?

I'm simply talking about a new game mechanic. They can keep graphics and characters but to add a newly built battle mechanic would be much more than the current time they are alloted.
There is a reason why they have been using the same animations for years; they don't have any time to make new ones.

BT -> BT3 - Updates and character additions [as was the type of thing to do with games back then]
Raging Blast - Sacrificed characters and combos for time to polish crisp new graphics and mechanic tweaks. Dispersed all smashes amongst the characters.
Raging Blast 2 - Time was consumed when they focused on bringing in many more characters and changing the graphics. Added simple combo system.
Ultimate Tenkaichi - Sacrificed characters [again] to focus their time on graphics change [again] and new battle system along with a detailed story mode.

One year of time will never make everyone happy. I do not understand why so many people ask for everything at once when they should know better. It must go one step at a time. If everything is always rejected the game will never advance in the time it is given. Only one thing can be done at a time for the developing team is only so large. Where do the priorities lie? It's completely subjective but everyone shouts at once and the majority control it. However the minority has the most impact.

[Night]

if you don't know by now Ultimate Tenkaichi is Project Age

[Zuumaester]

if you don't know by now Ultimate Tenkaichi is Project Age

That was Project Age "2011", this is "2012" we are talking about. :)

[Donie95]

Stop hiding behind that.
Another swap will keep the roster slashed, keep the content slashed, etc. We all know very well that there are people here to do not care about content and more of just gameplay. However have you read the reactions to a small roster? It's game-deciding to most people.
Put your own desires aside. Put the forum's desires aside. Think of all of the comments. All of them from any site. Facebook, youtube, etc. Majority want characters. Majority want flash.
You say fans have been saying this for years. I have only seen it on this site and every once in a while on youtube. It is a minority. Only major, major fans discuss this type of stuff on the the Internet. The common fans are the masses that show up. The common fan; the common purchaser puts down simple comments like, "I really wanted _______ to be in. :( Guess I won't get this game."
Expanding on RB would do nothing for the people who dislike it. You'll hear the same complaining from then. An entirely new game wont survive.

If only there was more time. If there was more time, I wouldn't be saying all of this. HOWEVER in one year, it will bury a game if they created everything from scratch.

Hiding? How can I be using this as an excuse, if it's a simple fact. You saying that a makeover in some cases has no good points?

"Put your own desires aside" No. I honestly do not care about any other fan out there on the internet, on the street, where ever others may be; I only have and should have my own interests when buying a game, in mind. And you should too, as should any/everyone. I know this isn't the point you're trying to make, but still, if they continue upon the system the next game is a must-not-buy for me. You say the majority wants this, or that, but thing is sales are dropping, and with current gen limitations sustaining a high roster, even with combat as shallow as RB2, it's not very easy, and so the devs find themselves putting priority in here and there, only to learn there efforts do not prevail, again.

The fact is less and less people are deciding to put up with crap from Namdai, me included. Who else? So has Nasiso, Badboynic2010, and I'm sure there are others. What's a RB3 gonna do for the franchise on a whole? Forget about for that one game, how about for the future, how is it gonna be possible to improve the gameplay, in a year, for two hundred characters? Gameplay must be balanced in any game, if you imporove the mechanics of one fighter you are expected to share it along the others, but if you have sooo many character's then it will be too long and tedious to do the same thing for each. So what then? What for the future of that franchise? They obviously won't be able to improve the combat to a high enough degree, so will they improve the story, bring in a new set of graphics, new modes? Is that all the future is for games like these?


Anyway, I don't know if you agree, but if they get a decent combat/gameplay system down first as a foundation from the first installment, then the future will most indefinitely shine for sequels, where they could just improve (& add character's), improve (add character's), improve (add character's), shall I go on?

Yeah, maybe starting again may seem absurd to many people, but any other way won't gurantee me a copy of next year's Dragonball Game Project Age 2011.

[Zuumaester]

Anyway, I don't know if you agree, but if they get a decent combat/gameplay system down first as a foundation from the first installment, then the future will most indefinitely shine for sequels, where they could just improve (& add character's), improve (add character's), improve (add character's).

Not necessarily if the next game only adds like 12 extra characters because they all have to fight 100% differently in that case, and with virtually no gimmicks added to that sequel, then the fans might actually say it is exactly the same game as the prior one and be bored that it hasn't any new "anything", even if it has 12 extra characters to the roster.

Yeah, maybe starting again may seem absurd to many people, but any other way won't gurantee me a copy of next year's Dragonball Game Project Age 2011.

If you cut content for a gameplay system that has no depth, then that makes that any progress the past games may have had have been for nothing, unless they went back and made a merger, without the classic storymode which i am so tired of.

[Donie95]

Don't reply to this comment, I'm tired of seeing your name as last post all over this place...

[Zienzo]

Anyway, I don't know if you agree, but if they get a decent combat/gameplay system down first as a foundation from the first installment, then the future will most indefinitely shine for sequels, where they could just improve (& add character's), improve (add character's), improve (add character's), shall I go on?

This, this is exactly what I'm trying to say.
Looking at sales for dimps, they've declined from Budokai 3 as well and they were the ones who tried to restart with Burst Limit. Burst Limit was praised for breathing life into the game but it lacked so much content that it was game deciding to people and it shows.
You may not care, and I sure as hell don't care, but people do care about the content of the game just as much as gameplay. People ask for everything at once and are upset when they do not get it.

And for the record, why would you think this:

"Put your own desires aside" No. I honestly do not care about any other fan out there on the internet, on the street, where ever others may be; I only have and should have my own interests when buying a game, in mind. And you should too, as should any/everyone.

I do not care about others opinions on games either. I bought Ultimate Tenkaichi because I thought it looked fun, and guess what, I love it. Hell I even put up with someone on the psn badgering me for getting it.
What annoys me is when other people put their own views ahead of logic. Do you honestly think refreshing the series again is a good idea? Look at past examples. I know you want a different type of DBZ game but restarting again is going to end up exactly like the others. That will fail because the fans cannot get what they want and will demand a restart of the restart. This goes in a circle and no one seems to realize it.

[Zienzo]

If you cut content for a gameplay system that has no depth, then that makes that any progress the past games may have had have been for nothing, unless they went back and made a merger, without the classic storymode which i am so tired of.

Exactly, Zuu.

[Zuumaester]

Don't reply to this comment, I'm tired of seeing your name as last post all over this place...

And you should know better that you can't tell somebody that in that particularily rude way. Midori won't like it if you say that you are tired of one specific individual and would rather have that person never ever reply a post to you specifically. This is a forum where we discuss and debate, like i've always been doing. Trying to contribute in any way whatsoever, where you have been this following guy: DON'T REPLY TO THIS COMMENT!!! I'M TIRED OF YOU!!! I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEAS 'CUZ THEY SUCK!!!

That may be, that may be. And i may have been half-jokingly posting some non-sensical information which might seem a little rude to you, but i have no animosity against you, nor should anybody while they're here, and that same thing goes also the Daizenshuu EX Forums "DonieZ".

@Zienzo. I know you love UT, and i sort of enjoy it, but c'mon,! What would you possibly like to see happen in a future game "without" the oh so uneccessary restarts of a restarts???

[Zienzo]

@Zienzo. I know you love UT, and i sort of enjoy it, but c'mon,! What would you possibly like to see happen in a future game "without" the oh so uneccessary restarts of a restarts???

Honestly I don't mind what the gameplay for a DBZ fighter looks like. If it's all I can get, I make the best of it. However I'm sick of all this flip flopping because it, as you said, undoes all progress. B3 and BT3 are two of the most popular DBZ games ever released and they were the end-result of a series being built up every game. If people shoot down #1 in a line, it will never progress. I mean, look at Raging Blast. The first lacked a lot but the second filled in. It included characters and a combo system. [Even if it was simple] A Raging Blast 3 would continue to expand on what RB 2 had but at this point, I have a feeling that will never come to light.
It's still possible to make a Raging Blast 3 because it's not like they delete the mechanics and coding from Raging Blast 2 however people roared about how much they disliked it that and so Spike took another approach and made Ultimate Tenkaichi. I highly doubt they will ever return to Raging Blast and if they don't make another Ultimate Tenkaichi, then they will probably make another new game.

[Donie95]

What annoys me is when other people put their own views ahead of logic. Do you honestly think refreshing the series again is a good idea? Look at past examples. I know you want a different type of DBZ game but restarting again is going to end up exactly like the others. That will fail because the fans cannot get what they want and will demand a restart of the restart. This goes in a circle and no one seems to realize it.

You don't understand. I will not buy RB3 or a UT2. There. So many other people are happy (probably not even, greedy asses), but me, I, the main priority am not getting it, and most sadly unhappy. And with that goes my hopes for a great DBZ game while I'm still young in my teens...

Are you telling me I should settle for rubbish 'cos a ton of other people will be happy?


And you've also contradicted yourself in that post. You agreed with what I said, but you then went on to agree with what Zuu said. Those two thigns are completely opposite. In these 1 year contract games, you can have one or the other, great gameplay experience, or content. You agreed they should start with a strong foundation from the beginning, and add content as the games continue. A foundation means strong gameplay which can be improved on. You can't get a strong foundation when you add even 40 character's in a single 1 YEAR CONTRACT 3D game. Impossible. Or are you just stating what you think is ideal? And that you understand that that wouldn't work for many people who favour character's? Well all I can say to that is people should stand by their own preferences and not put up with something to cater for someone else. Years are flying by man, and I don't know if you havent noticed, but more and more people have decided not to simply put up with it.

[Donie95]

And you should know better that you can't tell somebody that in that particularily rude way. Midori won't like it if you say that you are tired of one specific individual and would rather have that person never ever reply a post to you specifically. This is a forum where we discuss and debate, like i've always been doing. Trying to contribute in any way whatsoever, where you have been this following guy: DON'T REPLY TO THIS COMMENT!!! I'M TIRED OF YOU!!! I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEAS 'CUZ THEY SUCK!!!

That may be, that may be. And i may have been half-jokingly posting some non-sensical information which might seem a little rude to you, but i have no animosity against you, nor should anybody while they're here, and that same thing goes also the Daizenshuu EX Forums "DonieZ".

@Zienzo. I know you love UT, and i sort of enjoy it, but c'mon,! What would you possibly like to see happen in a future game "without" the oh so uneccessary restarts of a restarts???

I don't usually have problems with people posting replies to me if it's not aimed at them, but it annoys me when people (you mostly since you do it non-stop) reply, and reply with nothing but garbage.

And what, are you some detective, 'ey? Go get a girlfriend man.

Another thing stop sucking up to the mods, you don't get respect when you do that. You see anyone else doing that thing you do? Na, lets stop here...

[Zuumaester]

I don't usually have problems with people posting replies to me if it's not aimed at them, but it annoys me when people (you mostly since you do it non-stop) reply, and reply with nothing but garbage.

Garbage and non-stop you say?!? I only do it if it's worth continuing a debate, and i still see that there is worth in that at this moment. Also why should i annoy you when you don't annoy me?

Another thing stop sucking up to the mods, you don't get respect when you do that. You see anyone else doing that thing you do? Na, lets stop here...

I don't suck up to them, you propably think that i do but i do not and yes i know that i am not special, and that does not bother me.

So you will not buy, or even try out a sequel to either UT or RB2 that may be "many" times better than the ones before them?

The way that you spoke above meant almost that you can only have a solid foundation if the game in question is 100% true to the anime based combat and such may not be a game by itself, right?!?

[Donie95]

I don't know what you just said. But anyway, there are plenty other games I can buy in place of Dragonball garbage blast 5

[Zuumaester]

So in other words if a game is darn near flawless in quality in nearly every area except gameplay which you personally might feel that it "must be" only one type of gameplay, even if the current one is better on another area, the whole is..........crap?!?

[Zienzo]

You don't understand. I will not buy RB3 or a UT2. There.

I'm not at all trying to convince you. I''m debating.


Are you telling me I should settle for rubbish 'cos a ton of other people will be happy?

And you've also contradicted yourself in that post. You agreed with what I said, but you then went on to agree with what Zuu said.

Hell no. What I'm saying is that if a game continues to flop, it will NEVER develop into something more. What I'm saying is that even if you find the game you want, others will dislike it because it doesn't have ______ or _______ mode or whatever which will cause that to crash as well.


Well all I can say to that is people should stand by their own preferences and not put up with something to cater for someone else.

I'm not saying that. Why do you think I'm saying that. I'm not on any side, I'm neutral.

[Donie95]

I'm not at all trying to convince you. I''m debating.

I know. I just responded to the fact that you said that others may prefer other things such content or characters or something, and that I should consider that. However if I am not getting the game period, why should I care what other people want? It works both ways, they get what they want whilst I don't, I get what I want whilst they don't. The only difference Zienzo with what I want is that it acts as a foundation which can make the future games sooo much better. What they want and are demanding can never achieve that. And it's the same reasons these games are bombing.


Hell no. What I'm saying is that if a game continues to flop, it will NEVER develop into something more. What I'm saying is that even if you find the game you want, others will dislike it because it doesn't have ______ or _______ mode or whatever which will cause that to crash as well.

So you're arguing that RB2, the sequel to RB, wasn't a flop? Are you telling me that we shouldn't consider that series to be a flop? What makes you think a brand new fighting series would flop as much as the RB series? RB2 caters to no one apart from DB fans. And even then it is very selective. A game as such I'd want could cater to many more different people (PLUS fans who moan will still buy these games anyway smh). The route it's all currently going, it is heading for a huge flop. And about BL, that game you could say was half finished, and it's a shame too 'cos if it had a few character's from the Buu saga, a slightly better ki system, the game could have been great. It's a shame.

I'm not saying that. Why do you think I'm saying that. I'm not on any side, I'm neutral.

Bolded.

And to answer one of your questions, yes I do believe that a fresh new series would be a good idea, the best idea in fact at the moment. But after looking at what they did with the latest game, maybe they're just not capable of delivering a decent fighter. Maybe there's not point for making fighting games, they should do a different genre really.

I think a fresh new game however could set things like movement and hand to combat right. Character's didn't robotically jump, they acrobatically moved, they rebounded off surfaces. And character's didn't have the same properties, Super Buu has different reach to Gohan, as does Frieza fight differently, using his tail, to Goku. There's no difference fighting X Y Z atm, and it's boring. A RB3 wouldn't fix this, all it would do is make more copies with "different" "combos" and animation's. They need to start over. That's simply what I want.

[Zuumaester]

Chances are that even if you got what you wanted, you would still have the complaint that they would need to try another genre with the Dragonball franchise "every single time" just to get it right, instead of fixing, improving and adding to what already exists.

Regardless of how we may feel like, while a new reboot would bring a certain case of "freshness" to the table, it might actually stay that way, tweak things around and remove stuff from sequels that a select rare few of fans do not want, rather than moving ahead with what we're given.

[Donie95]

Don't put me in the same boat as you, I know what I want, and if I was given it I would stick around and hope that improvements would be made to the next game and that it would grow.

And I don't care. If the games don't get a reboot in mechanics no ones getting my money...

[Zuumaester]

Don't put me in the same boat as you, I know what I want, and if I was given it I would stick around and hope that improvements would be made to the next game and that it would grow.

And i haven't this one time.

And I don't care. If the games don't get a reboot in mechanics no ones getting my money...

They're not getting your money either way that way.

[Zienzo]

So you're arguing that RB2, the sequel to RB, wasn't a flop? Are you telling me that we shouldn't consider that series to be a flop?

You are correct. I do not think it was a failure. From Tenkaichi 3 to Raging Blast, the game upgraded in some areas and downgraded in others. From Raging Blast to Raging Blast 2, the game upgraded. By comparison to other games, I can see why you would say it is a failure. However, it is fine for what the intentions were.
Ultimate Tenkaichi is a mixed bag that you cannot compare to other games. While it's a fighting game, it's a unique game that is certainly not meant for any player.
I would love a Burst Limit 2 but it will never come to be. It's not my preferred style of game but it's by all means not a bad game.

Unfortunately, as I keep saying, I think that a restart would end up the same as these. Say that they pleased the gamers whom are in your preferred cache... Let's compare it to... hm... Maybe a system that is in Soul Calibur IV. That is a complex fight system that is harsh on newer players. Many people shy away from that type of stuff. Spike would gain new fans but loose some of their others. Both sides of the fan base has the same issue, it's just leaning in the more casual area right now.

This is why two developers would be a decent idea. Dimps and Spike was a variation. Eighting and Cyber Connect 2. [Naruto series - Clash of Ninja & Ultimate Ninja]
Alas though, Namco Bandai does not have a history of listening.

[Donie95]

Why do you think I think RB2's a flop because of the variation from the Tenkaichi series? It flopped 'cos it didn't sell, I thought that was obvious. BT3 to RB is completely different because they jumped consoles; comparison between the two should be completely avoided. And how was RB2 an upgrade to RB? Just because they added more combos and character's? I guess this area though is controversial, so yeah..

You said I would see it as a failure compared to other games, but why do you think that? I thought it came out obvioius that I wasn't a character *****, I don't really rate BT3.

But I just realised that you're a casual gamer, and despite myself being one so, there's no point arguing because casuals don't care how a game plays that much as long as there is enough content. Casual fans of a series will nearly always buy the product if they are into it. And this is the reason why devs shouldn't listen to the majority of us (casuals). ...

[Zienzo]

Hm, I don't know if I would call myself a casual. However I'm certainly not a hardcore fighter. [not in most fighting games, at any rate]

I don't think a developer should block out a fan base but I do think they should filter it out. Spike's trying much too hard to please the base that they've been switching things around for a while. Blocking things out can result in issues as well.

[Zuumaester]

Why do you think I think RB2's a flop because of the variation from the Tenkaichi series? It flopped 'cos it didn't sell, I thought that was obvious. BT3 to RB is completely different because they jumped consoles; comparison between the two should be completely avoided. And how was RB2 an upgrade to RB? Just because they added more combos and character's? I guess this area though is controversial, so yeah..

A game could sell absolutely horrible but be better in "nearly" every way compared to the prequel, is it fair to say that the game is worse "only" by the sales of such a game?!? I don't buy games for the rating or the sales, i buy them for the enjoyment and adventure. I did not care first about the reviews and thoughts of Skyrim on the PS3, which i may add has a gamebreaking bug that is being worked on.

You said I would see it as a failure compared to other games, but why do you think that? I thought it came out obvioius that I wasn't a character *****, I don't really rate BT3.

So you never enjoy games that may have a lot more stuff than others, and only settle for less which is actually not more in terms of content?!?

But I just realised that you're a casual gamer, and despite myself being one so, there's no point arguing because casuals don't care how a game plays that much as long as there is enough content. Casual fans of a series will nearly always buy the product if they are into it. And this is the reason why devs shouldn't listen to the majority of us (casuals). ...

You do not specifically belong to that "exact" group if you desire gameplay to have much more control of how fast and far you jump/ascend and descend and that they should in your opinion fight exactly as they did in the show and manga. If you mean by that, then what you wrote above doesn't really apply.

[Frieza_Soldier]

RB2 IS actually a fun game casually despite its over the top flaws.

[Donie95]

RB2 IS actually a fun game casually despite its over the top flaws.

Well, fun and enjoyment is subjective. I found it one of the most boring DBZ games to date...

[Zienzo]

The wonders of subjectives.

[Zuumaester]

Well, fun and enjoyment is subjective. I found it one of the most boring DBZ games to date...

It must have been boring to you if you had to watch the 30 minute special just to play as Hatchiyack.

When i started playing as him, i had this wide grin on my face.

[Donie95]

It must have been boring to you if you had to watch the 30 minute special just to play as Hatchiyack.

When i started playing as him, i had this wide grin on my face.

That OAV was laughable. I was annoyed after I watched it, funny 'cos I was expecting it to be the last decent thing in the game. I didn't care for Hatchiyack either. The time they'd spent making the OAV and half the roster, I'd rather they used for making rushes useable as real-time attacks. Oh well...

[Frieza_Soldier]

That OAV was laughable. I was annoyed after I watched it, funny 'cos I was expecting it to be the last decent thing in the game. I didn't care for Hatchiyack either. The time they'd spent making the OAV and half the roster, I'd rather they used for making rushes useable as real-time attacks. Oh well...
A lot of the best scenes from the original were cut and the ending they chose sucked.

[Zuumaester]

That OAV was laughable. I was annoyed after I watched it, funny 'cos I was expecting it to be the last decent thing in the game. I didn't care for Hatchiyack either. The time they'd spent making the OAV and half the roster, I'd rather they used for making rushes useable as real-time attacks. Oh well...

But they did.

Edit: You meant the Dash-Supers/Ultimates and not regular rushes, right?

[Donie95]

I mean that they should have made rush-like super moves incorporated into real-time combos. Like in BL you press right and circle with a character who has such move, or left and circle, and you begin the attack, and it wouldn't do the attack for you; you yourself would have to finish it. I know they did it the way it currently is simply to make it as easy as possible to add as many character's as possible. But it's quite shallow. These 3D games could be improved so much dang it...