I just figured out a plausible what if for SSJ3 Vegeta

[ProjectLDV]

I'm watching the Buu saga to gather data for more movelists & I'm at the ep where Goku wants to fire the Super Spirit Bomb but can't because Vegeta is in the way. Vegeta wants him to launch but Goku won't.

What if? He did & it ended up killing both Buu & Vegeta?

What if since he's a good guy & hero now he gets to train with King Kai & in the years which lead to GT he's granted one day back with his friends & family.

Goku has been training non stop & so has Vegeta. & in their final face off, Vegeta reveals Super Saiyan 3 & the two have a galaxy breaking fight that ends on a cliff hanger.

I mean, of course it has its holes but at least its better than Spike's...durr OMFG GYZ 1 DAY.....1 DAY SUPA SAYIN TREE BAJITA APEERS!!!! &, & GET DIS, HE TAKES ON ALL TEH SUPA SAYIN TREES!!!! KEWL HUH?? Derp.

Its up to luffy to tell me how the **** he fights though since I have no idea.

[Zuumaester]

Nah that idea about GT Vegeta training with King Kai in order to reach Ssj3 is absurd to me. There should be a what-if movie 14 that would explain how Vegeta reached it, but without a villain(guess who) capable of smacking both Goku and Vegeta to tiny little bitsies, then the whole point of Vegeta reaching it would be just plain bad fanservice and almost no character development.

Don't worry i have a theoretical plan for such a what-if movie: It has to have Movie 10 and 11's ending altered slightly, this can be done in the first minute of the special. In the ending of Movie 10, use plothax physic to bounce the main villain off the sun's surface rather than incinerate said villain, then have him crash on habitable world and suffer temporary specific plothax amnesia(you heard me, this allows for some interesting character development). If you want me to i could continue but only if you so want it. :p

[SSJ-Luffy]

I still going for the DBO timeline, meaning a last fight between Goku and Vegeta somewhere in outer space.
First they fight as SSJ2, but later, they're getting serious and go into SSJ3 and die in that epic battle. And Vegeta achieving SSJ3 5 years after the Kid Boo fight, not mastered yet, meaning, he cannot handle that well. And he will use this one only as a last resort.

PS: RB1 what-if was so lame, it couldn't be lamer.

@LDV: can I submit the movelist later? this weekend I have plans. Saturday C-Walk meeting and Sunday teaching someone for money.

Just a sidenote of an opinion of SSJ3, which I agree.


Let's see...after he uses it for the first time to fight Boo, Goku tells Piccolo that Super Saiyan 3 should only be used in the afterlife, because in the living world it uses up too much energy (he blames this on how time exists in the living world, but not the afterlife). So at this point he's not even talking about being dead versus alive, but on where you use the technique. Then in the final battle with Boo after he drops out of Super Saiyan 3, he tells Vegeta that using the technique with a living body eats up too much energy, but with a dead body it's fine. I think that's all that's said on the subject, at least in the manga. So it's much harder to use while alive, but not impossible (since we see Goku use it alive). Going by that, it sounds like it'd be much harder to learn for the first time while alive, but not necessarily impossible.

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17622&hilit=SSJ3+gotenks+goku+other+world

But it could have another interpretation.

[Zuumaester]

I still going for the DBO timeline, meaning a last fight between Goku and Vegeta somewhere in outer space.
First they fight as SSJ2, but later, they're getting serious and go into SSJ3 and die in that epic battle. And Vegeta achieving SSJ3 5 years after the Kid Boo fight, not mastered yet, meaning, he cannot handle that well. And he will use this one only as a last resort.

PS: RB1 what-if was so lame, it couldn't be lamer.

Agreed, that what-if story for Vegeta was lame and Broly didn't get any apart from "Freedom" which is an impossibility(Dr. Gero was dead when they fought Broly the first time). Though it could only be made better, since if the concept was botched, then let us make some better attempts, shall we?!?

[ProjectLDV]

Nah that idea about GT Vegeta training with King Kai in order to reach Ssj3 is absurd to me. There should be a what-if movie 14 that would explain how Vegeta reached it, but without a villain(guess who) capable of smacking both Goku and Vegeta to tiny little bitsies, then the whole point of Vegeta reaching it would be just plain bad fanservice and almost no character development.

Don't worry i have a theoretical plan for such a what-if movie: It has to have Movie 10 and 11's ending altered slightly, this can be done in the first minute of the special. In the ending of Movie 10, use plothax physic to bounce the main villain off the sun's surface rather than incinerate said villain, then have him crash on habitable world and suffer temporary specific plothax amnesia(you heard me, this allows for some interesting character development). If you want me to i could continue but only if you so want it. :p

Does the idea of Goku training with King Kai for 7 years & achieving SSJ3 sound absurd to you as well? Cuz guess what, the form is only achieved via supernatural circumstances.

Goku - Achieves it in 7 years while being dead. The form eats away at his time on earth & roasts his energy reserves while fighting Kid Buu.

Gotenks - He's a fused half saiyan with hax. So he achieved it while training in the ROSAT for a short period of time.

Gohan - He surpasses both SSJ3 Goku & Gotenks via Old Kai's hax power.

Here's the thing, all evidence suggests that SSJ3 cannot be obtained via normal methods. Just him punching air in a gravity chamber won't do it nor will getting desperate & receiving a random hax boost. & the most plausible way I saw was to kill him off at a time where it would make all the sense in the world to kill him off.

Also Vegeta admits that his potential & talents are inferior to Goku's, so how exactly is he going to achieve a higher form in less time than Goku with less efficient training?

[Zuumaester]

Does the idea of Goku training with King Kai for 7 years & achieving SSJ3 sound absurd to you as well? Cuz guess what, the form is only achieved via supernatural circumstances.

Goku - Achieves it in 7 years while being dead. The form eats away at his time on earth & roasts his energy reserves while fighting Kid Buu.

Gotenks - He's a fused half saiyan with hax. So he achieved it while training in the ROSAT for a short period of time.

Gohan - He surpasses both SSJ3 Goku & Gotenks via Old Kai's hax power.

Here's the thing, all evidence suggests that SSJ3 cannot be obtained via normal methods. Just him punching air in a gravity chamber won't do it nor will getting desperate & receiving a random hax boost. & the most plausible way I saw was to kill him off at a time where it would make all the sense in the world to kill him off.

Also Vegeta admits that his potential & talents are inferior to Goku's, so how exactly is he going to achieve a higher form in less time than Goku with less efficient training?

1. Really, i thought you would have to need a body(dead, alive or fused) in order to do it?!?

2. But that is how the manga and anime was written, and so far the only "living" person(yes yes a what-if) to obtain it in Dragonball Heroes through normal means is Future Trunks, and he was alive the last time i checked.

[SSJ-Luffy]

I think, we should stop the argument here, LDV has his own interpretation of the SSJ3 than me or Zuu. It's just pointless to argue further.

[Zuumaester]

I think, we should stop the argument here, LDV has his own interpretation of the SSJ3 than me or Zuu. It's just pointless to argue further.

Yeah i guess so. It's pointless to argue.

So what different moves would this Ssj3 GT Vegeta have overall?

[SSJ-Luffy]

Yeah i guess so. It's pointless to argue.

So what different moves would this Ssj3 GT Vegeta have overall?

Give me time, making up a movelist from nowhere isn't that easy.

[Dan_Dx]

SSJ3 Vegeta doesn't need a reason to exist.

[Zuumaester]

SSJ3 Vegeta doesn't need a reason to exist.

Oh but he does, and so far the RB1 reason doesn't cut it unfortunately! His transformation would only fit directly after Movie 13, that is to say GT and Dragonball Online isn't on the list of happening events.

[Nasiso]

The only way it really fits is him training after Buu is defeated. That's pretty much the only one that I'd have no problem with.

[ProjectLDV]

Him training after Buu is dead is pointless. No ever specifies what training he could possibly do on earth to make him jump to a new level of power.

Goku had 7 years of otherworld training. Pretty vague but we have an idea of what it takes. Any other method beyond SSJ2 has involved some kind of supernatural hax. Think about it.

[Nasiso]

It's just that Vegeta made the ultimate sacrifice for the Earth, but still wasn't allowed to keep his body. That'd be literally otherworldly hax for him to be allowed to keep his body. The only way I see it being plausible without the 7 period b/w Cell and Buu is him to train after the Kid Buu, motivated by knowing that Goku has surpassed him and wanting to beat him out in every way, and then facing off when he finally gets his big boy swagger back.

Expanding on the point you made, I just think Goku trained harder. Vegeta didn't know he'd see Goku again, so he probably didn't train to his maximum.

[Zuumaester]

It's just that Vegeta made the ultimate sacrifice for the Earth, but still wasn't allowed to keep his body. That'd be literally otherworldly hax for him to be allowed to keep his body. The only way I see it being plausible without the 7 period b/w Cell and Buu is him to train after the Kid Buu, motivated by knowing that Goku has surpassed him and wanting to beat him out in every way, and then facing off when he finally gets his big boy swagger back.

Expanding on the point you made, I just think Goku trained harder. Vegeta didn't know he'd see Goku again, so he probably didn't train to his maximum.

And even if he said that Goku was number one, don't you think he would at least attempt to reach it? But so far we haven't seen that.

[ProjectLDV]

It's just that Vegeta made the ultimate sacrifice for the Earth, but still wasn't allowed to keep his body. That'd be literally otherworldly hax for him to be allowed to keep his body. The only way I see it being plausible without the 7 period b/w Cell and Buu is him to train after the Kid Buu, motivated by knowing that Goku has surpassed him and wanting to beat him out in every way, and then facing off when he finally gets his big boy swagger back.

Expanding on the point you made, I just think Goku trained harder. Vegeta didn't know he'd see Goku again, so he probably didn't train to his maximum.

Except when vegeta tells Dende to wish the earth back & all who died on the day of the world tournament, he gets revived as well. Meaning he's a good person. That was Vegeta's official face turn. So had he been killed buy the SSB, he'd have gone to heaven instead & would have kept his body. Thus allowing him to get that otherworld hax.

[Frieza_Soldier]

We can always be lazy and make the Elder kai unlock it as he begs to be able to be even with Goku.

[Zuumaester]

We can always be lazy and make the Elder kai unlock it as he begs to be able to be even with Goku.

Mystic Vegeta? There goes any chance of him reaching Ssj3. "waves bye bye"

[Zienzo]

Mystic trumps Ssj3 so why does that matter...

[Zuumaester]

Mystic trumps Ssj3 so why does that matter...

Mystic makes you look somewhat bland, which makes it not cool.

[ProjectLDV]

I agree with Zuu, at best he'd get his SSJ2 appearance with black hair & black eyes except ALL HIS FORMS LOOK THE SAME!!!!

Mystic would look great on Goku(we already got a preview with that botch Toei made in that filler when Pikkon owned SPC lulz).

On Vegeta? Not so much. Wonder how a Mystic Trunks would look.

[Zuumaester]

I agree with Zuu, at best he'd get his SSJ2 appearance with black hair & black eyes except ALL HIS FORMS LOOK THE SAME!!!!

Mystic would look great on Goku(we already got a preview with that botch Toei made in that filler when Pikkon owned SPC lulz).

On Vegeta? Not so much. Wonder how a Mystic Trunks would look.

Spiky purple hair? Would work if that character had that sort of hair as his base hair, but Mystic??? BLECH!

[Nasiso]

Except when vegeta tells Dende to wish the earth back & all who died on the day of the world tournament, he gets revived as well. Meaning he's a good person. That was Vegeta's official face turn. So had he been killed buy the SSB, he'd have gone to heaven instead & would have kept his body. Thus allowing him to get that otherworld hax.

This is disregarding the fact that they'd wish him back in a year, though. Unless you think he would obtain it within a year.

[ProjectLDV]

He could easily refuse to come back.

[Nasiso]

Fair enough, just a wee bit too much assumption for me to fully get behind.

[ProjectLDV]

Hey, at least its less ridiculous than the crap Toei & Saligir pulls.

[Zuumaester]

Hey, at least its less ridiculous than the crap Toei & Saligir pulls.

Wut??? Salagir made an Ssj3 variant of Vegeta in Multi-verse?

[ProjectLDV]

No he did not.

[Zuumaester]

No he did not.

Then i guess you meant he haxed Vegetto and Broly to ridiculousness, right?!?

[ProjectLDV]

Yes. I hated that.

[Zuumaester]

Yes. I hated that.

Bulla is also broken, but hey we know now how a female would look like as an Ssj2. :)