Part 3 of Hero mode. Golden Oozaru Bebi vs Bandai sama. [Archive]

GF9000000Returns

09-07-2011, 03:31 PM

Slow ass phone of mine..... (Sorry, I'm on lunch break at school)

*ahem* Anyways I'm SHOCKED that the Baby Vegeta has a few other moves up his sleeve at the second match. (the explosion wave, and that flaming ball he did to Goku) I knew this boss fight wouldn't dissappoint me.

But the only problem I have in this fight is that the Final Revenge Death Ball. It should be just dark blue with white around it. Anyways can't wait to see what's in store for the other bosses.

Talk to you guys on friday.

SupaTrunks

09-07-2011, 03:52 PM

Looks cool.

Seriously tho ... what the hell dose "sama" mean? I'm not into "Japanese/Anime" culture. I kinda just watched DBZ/DBGT many years and and still buy the games. I do other stuff IRL along side with console gaming every now and then.

What's "sama"?

Kokos

09-07-2011, 03:53 PM

SupaTrunks

09-07-2011, 03:58 PM

So SSJ Bandai > Oozaru Baby?
Does this mean SSJ Bandai is possibly as good, maybe even better than SSJ4 Goku, who is better than pretty much everyone from DBZ including Buuhan and Super Vegetto?

Who is this guy? Where did he come from?

Well it's a video game. You COULD beat any game w/o transformations or power ups/what not with just playing defensive and eventually winning. The only way i see them fixing a problem like this is if they lower the damage a normal state/SSJ would do to Bebi making it a extremely long fight. They should probably just add SSJ2-SSJ4. (IMO) But then you would get people in here talking **** about how it's being handed out (It's a video game, why not? Why so serious) I expect some major crying from that Misa guy who has a little hentai picture on his little avatar thing cause that's all he dose. I understand tho all he dose is watch hentai/anime and play video games so its okay.

Anyways I'm off for today. Maybe I'll come by later tonight to read what you guys are talking about.

What dose "Sama" mean??

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 04:09 PM

Well it's a video game. You COULD beat any game w/o transformations or power ups/what not with just playing defensive and eventually winning. The only way i see them fixing a problem like this is if they lower the damage a normal state/SSJ would do to Bebi making it a extremely long fight. They should probably just add SSJ2-SSJ4. (IMO) But then you would get people in here talking **** about how it's being handed out (It's a video game, why not? Why so serious) I expect some major crying from that Misa guy who has a little hentai picture on his little avatar thing cause that's all he dose. I understand tho all he dose is watch hentai/anime and play video games so its okay.

Anyways I'm off for today. Maybe I'll come by later tonight to read what you guys are talking about.

What dose "Sama" mean??

I think it means something like "Lord" in Japan.

Kokos

09-07-2011, 04:18 PM

Veku

09-07-2011, 04:19 PM

But then you would get people in here talking **** about how it's being handed out (It's a video game, why not? Why so serious) I expect some major crying from that Misa guy who has a little hentai picture on his little avatar thing cause that's all he dose. I understand tho all he dose is watch hentai/anime and play video games so its okay.

What dose "Sama" mean??

Misa's a girl and I agree with what you said. (I'm new, but I've been doing some research on this forum)

As I was saying, I'm so glad I was proven wrong with the bosses have more than just two attacks, because at first I thought that the bosses were boring and stupid as some of you guys thought also, right? I really don't remember what other ball Baby did to Goku (since I haven't watched GT for a while because of school.) Can't wait to get the game but I have to wait until the price drops because of college.

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 04:35 PM

WHOOPS!!! Forgot that this was the fourth Hero mode vid. Sorry!

MysticGospel

09-07-2011, 04:47 PM

Glad that part 2 looked more interesting. Now if only Baby was sped up. Also I'm liking the concept of hero mode, I know who exactly I'm going to make first.

I think it means something like "Lord" in Japan.
From what I've seen in Anime yeah pretty much.

Veku

09-07-2011, 04:52 PM

Glad that part 2 looked more interesting. Now if only Baby was sped up. Also I'm liking the concept of hero mode, I know who exactly I'm going to make first.

I hope the difficulty will make bosses like that or make more power moves like in the DMC series (at the Dante Must Die difficulty)

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 04:59 PM

I hope the difficulty will make bosses like that or make more power moves like in the DMC series (at the Dante Must Die difficulty)

Don't bet on it! This game propably will be even easier then RB2. Spike has a real problem in programming the AI to be brutal, where Dimps has less to go with and succeeds more in that area, regarding the computer AI.

MysticGospel

09-07-2011, 04:59 PM

Yeah hopefully. At least now the boss fights can go up to Megaman level rather than Mario like what we've seen before.

kbrooksgohan

09-07-2011, 05:52 PM

I think that the story mode trailer will be out by later tonight for sure. 9am CET.........

Veku

09-07-2011, 05:55 PM

I think that the story mode trailer will be out by later tonight for sure. 9am CET.........

I can't wait! YEAH BAYBEH!!!

kbrooksgohan

09-07-2011, 05:57 PM

So it'll be up at 2am. So by the morning...it'll be here.Tony said it would answer alot of questions.

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 06:03 PM

So it'll be up at 2am. So by the morning...it'll be here.Tony said it would answer alot of questions.

Questionable, but we'll see.

Badboynic1010

09-07-2011, 06:05 PM

Good video, was indeed a step up

BUT

I still dont understand their thinking :confused:

SS1 Bandai>SS4 Goku>Great Ape Baby

Okay, so if a SS1 could semi-easy beat a character that Goku in his HEIGHT of power struggled a little on why couldnt females or non-saiyan races be added. I know it has NOTHING to do with what I just stated but my reason is

If you let a SS1 character beating a character that SS4 had trouble with slide...why cant you let females going SS or other races slide (at the point where Bandai turns ss a non saiyan character could have just powered up a little)

Anyway, I'm looking forward to tomorrow's video. Sucks that I have afternoon class though so I have watch on my ipod -_-

MajinVegeta2

09-07-2011, 06:06 PM

I'm down at college atm so I'm going to make my thoughts quick on this.

The boss fight does not really look that engaging still at all. His attacks are hugely telegraphed, so much that you'd have to have horrible reflexes to get hit by any of them. It's great that the boss fight itself at least looks pretty to watch but to play? It doesn't look very fun to play. The constant shooting of normal Ki Blasts at Baby from Bandai looks stale and boring. No variation in combat from the player is a problem and makes the boss look wimpy that he actually takes damage from such small Ki Blasts. This isn't how a boss should work, at least, the way the player has to beat him. It should be more involved from the player, he should be pushed to use his other options (if the player even has any, we don't know if he can do ANY supers!!) If all you need to do to beat him is shoot the small Ki Blasts why bother using the other options? Pressing a single button for a straight 5-10 minutes is simply baffling to me on how that is considered fun.

I guess all you can be excited about this boss fight is that it is pretty to look at but not engaging or fun in the least. At least in a 3D Mario boss fight (someone made a comparison earlier) you're allowed to move freely around the area and can do whatever it is you like be it jump, spin attack, or ground pound (whatever 3D Mario game) whereas in this all you can seemingly do is move left and right to dodge Baby's moves and shoot Ki Blasts, you can't even FLY UPWARDS which is a main component to DBZ... the ability to FLY.

Yes... that sounds like lots of fun to limit the player like that. :|

NathanCX

09-07-2011, 06:11 PM

SS1 Bandai>SS4 Goku>Great Ape Baby
It doesn't matter at all.

kbrooksgohan

09-07-2011, 06:14 PM

Questionable, but we'll see.

If it's 9am cet then that's 2 or 3 am here.......it's a 6 or 7 hour difference.

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 06:53 PM

It doesn't matter at all.

A game is a game, and it doesn't neccessarily have to follow exact canon from the anime/manga. Especially for Hero mode! Though if someone plans to make an improved Hero mode in the future, then they better let us create villains, females, additional races. As well as breaking our restrictions and go higher in the transformational Tech tree. That last part is debatable for many fans whether or not your created chars should actually reach forms that others in the series did. But if you make a character creator i shouldn't naturally restrict your plans for your character at all, and should/could let you do whatever you want with your character.

SSJ-Luffy

09-07-2011, 07:28 PM

Yeah hopefully. At least now the boss fights can go up to Megaman level rather than Mario like what we've seen before.

not Megaman/Rockman Level yet, but to the direction.

BTW, favorite Rockman Boss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYBkVTPTiDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOy2zPdoXQ

Nasiso

09-07-2011, 08:12 PM

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 08:48 PM

I'd like to point some things out from this vid
1. While Bandai did beat him, he didn't beat him as bad as people are saying; he would probably need help for Super 17/Omega. SSJ just wouldn't cut it unless they make it really OP. Never mind the fact that it'll look very weird if we face Goku in SSJ4 or something and we easily kick his butt.
2. They might not follow DBZ powerlevels. Baby might be less powerful than Frieza, for instance.

Also, voice acting: :(

EDIT:
As for the actual fight, if it was sped up just a bit it would be awesome. Maybe that will happen at harder levels.
The QTE part really looked good. There were no problems with me, other than the barrier thing sounding like it had almost no oomph in the beginning.

The lipsync is horrible, however the voice acting for Bandai sama was okay for the most part.............until he said: I have to trust in my power.....Remember Piccolo's training! The transformation was lame but the background music helped making it somewhat cool. When it REALLY started getting bad was when Bandai sama fired his yellow energy beam against Bebi's black orb of doom. By god was that quote bad! "You have reached enlightenment!"

Nasiso

09-07-2011, 08:57 PM

The lipsync is horrible, however the voice acting for Bandai sama was okay for the most part.............until he said: I have to trust in my power.....Remember Piccolo's training! The transformation was lame but the background music helped making it somewhat cool. When it REALLY started getting bad was when Bandai sama fired his yellow energy beam against Bebi's black orb of doom. By god was that quote bad! "You have reached enlightenment!"

He didn't say that, he said "I gotta get out of this mess somehow"
I actually liked the Piccolo line, this guy seems to be rather soft-spoken.
The part I didn't like was the whole explosive wave fight. That coulda been so much better. They don't sound like they're yelling, only that they have some sort of strain in their vocal cords. It's nothing like the Kaioken x 20 yell I showed before.

Badboynic1010

09-07-2011, 09:00 PM

It doesn't matter at all.

Point exactly

so if that doesnt matter...why cant they just add females/additional races? :confused:

Guess no use in worrying about it anymore

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 09:02 PM

He didn't say that, he said "I gotta get out of this mess somehow"
I actually liked the Piccolo line, this guy seems to be rather soft-spoken.
The part I didn't like was the whole explosive wave fight. That coulda been so much better. They don't sound like they're yelling, only that they have some sort of strain in their vocal cords. It's nothing like the Kaioken x 20 yell I showed before.

The Explosive fields emitted from Bebi was colourful but darn near worthless. I could understand it if Bandai sama switched to Piccolo when he reached 60% perfection with #17 as his Master.

Nasiso

09-07-2011, 09:04 PM

The Explosive fields emitted from Bebi was colourful but darn near worthless. I could understand it if Bandai sama switched to Piccolo when he reached 60% perfection with #17 as his Master.

I don't think that the Master thing really applies. There must be a set story here, and in it, Piccolo actually taught you some things. Maybe he's the first scripted master you have in a tutorial or something.

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 09:07 PM

I don't think that the Master thing really applies. There must be a set story here, and in it, Piccolo actually taught you some things. Maybe he's the first scripted master you have in a tutorial or something.

Then the tutorial must rock if he's the one who suddenly taught you. A question: Is #17 really a villain? If so while we can't be evil, couldn't we at least select a villain as a Master?

Nasiso

09-07-2011, 09:13 PM

Then the tutorial must rock if he's the one who suddenly taught you. A question: Is #17 really a villain? If so while we can't be evil, couldn't we at least select a villain as a Master?

Well, we do see that he did give his energy to Goku, so he must've wised up later in his life. It's not impossible to think that 17 could've been a good guy. He actually did have emotion and Android 18 and him had some camaraderie.

Zuumaester

09-07-2011, 09:16 PM

Well, we do see that he did give his energy to Goku, so he must've wised up later in his life. It's not impossible to think that 17 could've been a good guy. He actually did have emotion and Android 18 and him had some camaraderie.

Poor Krillin, at the moment when he encounters Super 17.

Frieza_Soldier

09-07-2011, 09:24 PM

That better be how the explosive waves are ingame, from what baby did. If not I will further scratch my head at spike's inconsistance.

Nasiso

09-07-2011, 09:27 PM

That better be how the explosive waves are ingame, from what baby did. If not I will further scratch my head at spike's inconsistance.

How the heck is Super Explosive going to work in this game anyway?

Frieza_Soldier

09-07-2011, 09:31 PM

How the heck is Super Explosive going to work in this game anyway?
And how the hell would the power ups work? Possibly ingame as well. Its probably just the super moves that are locked. (BtW) I mean't the ones like Final explosion / Angry Explosion / Revenge Death Bomber / Android 16's Inner Bomb / SSJ3 Goku's Burst waves... even Saibaman bomb (which I doubt) that should be the animation for them. I hated them being see-through lines.

Zienzo

09-07-2011, 09:31 PM

How the heck is Super Explosive going to work in this game anyway?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110723164925/dragonball/images/thumb/8/87/Vegeta-Frieza.jpg/830px-Vegeta-Frieza.jpg

Frieza_Soldier

09-07-2011, 09:33 PM

I think Baby is too quiet during combat.
@Zienzo.. that better be the normal one..

Zienzo

09-07-2011, 09:37 PM

No idea, all I know is that it is one of the explosive wave moves.
It looks like how the other supers are executed. Makes me wonder if you can clash with it.

Frieza_Soldier

09-07-2011, 09:39 PM

No idea, all I know is that it is one of the explosive wave moves.
It looks like how the other supers are executed. Makes me wonder if you can clash with it.
I hate how they make all the cool Sh1t reserved for special instances, the beam struggle with baby should be how they all look like.
@Zumaester - the voice acting is fine by my standards, baby just doesnt have enough derogetory insults to the saiyan filth Bandai, hes too generic... too Eggman... "No this is impossible! I will not let you interfere with my plan!!!!"

Zienzo

09-07-2011, 09:42 PM

I hate how they make all the cool Sh1t reserved for special instances, the beam struggle with baby should be how they all look like.
What do you mean?

Frieza_Soldier

09-07-2011, 09:48 PM

What do you mean?
Revenge death ball vs the Full power Ki wave clip. compared to the Beamstruggles in the game from the old gameplay.
It also sucks that they never gave him Super galick gun and Revenge deathball final.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXgO29btBdw
(3:28)
It would have been more intimidating to see it as a slow charging, rock lifting ginormous ball with that Omega blaster sound effect. They gave him too much use of the generic revenge death ball. His final one should have been used for the beam clash.

Beam struggle videos have been posted before, I sorta think those were more epic than this one.
No no no....this one was FAR better in the scene + the clip of baby being blasted.

Zienzo

09-07-2011, 09:54 PM

I think the struggles are better in VS but that scene with Baby getting decimated was better. Though it wouldn't fit with the wide range of moves everyone has.
I agree on that death ball though. It wasn't that special since it was a common attack in the boss fight. It was still cool to see but since it was used so much...

Frieza_Soldier

09-07-2011, 10:31 PM

Hmm, the best clip I saw was Trunks vs Goku video Kamehameha/Finish Buster struggle, when the guy loses he get look of shock that is just nice not to mention in some scene were the area gets blow away, I think that tops it but true enough seeing Baby get decimated was a treat.
But Baby's struggle with bandai actually shown the beam purportion, and did you not see how stiff the VS battle ones are? the beams are controlling themselves.

Nasiso

09-07-2011, 11:29 PM

I also really like how SSJ's look now. Probably the best looking out of all DBZ games.
Also, I like how they actually show panic a lot better with the pupils widening. It's the little things :D

Nasiso

09-07-2011, 11:49 PM

I wonder if you can even Ultimate Struggle anymore.

Frieza_Soldier

09-07-2011, 11:56 PM

I also really like how SSJ's look now. Probably the best looking out of all DBZ games.
Also, I like how they actually show panic a lot better with the pupils widening. It's the little things :D
You mean in that transformation? Lets hope thats how it is ingame.
Would have liked: for the sake of detail but its good as it is.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDkM2MnnxZHZ2okNPexFnpAEQ8AgOw1 Iu0Cm3dBuY1zrvwngue
I hope that not all the character personalitys are the same. I mean will all characters act like him or could we make a pissed off Vegeta character?

Nasiso

09-08-2011, 12:09 AM

I hope that not all the character personalitys are the same. I mean will all characters act like him or could we make a pissed off Vegeta character?

When it comes to the story, I'd expect the lines to stay the same. However, in regular fights I'd also expect them to vary up the dialogue a little based on what voice was picked.

Frieza_Soldier

09-08-2011, 02:46 AM

I wonder will your SSJ animation change if you play as someone else? (Bandai has the soul of Goku, you can tell but his fight stance in the intro to his fight with 17)

MysticGospel

09-08-2011, 02:51 AM

So I'm guessing that SSJ is just going to be gold hair and green eyes. Can't you already do that in the creator (the hair)?

Frieza_Soldier

09-08-2011, 02:58 AM

So I'm guessing that SSJ is just going to be gold hair and green eyes. Can't you already do that in the creator (the hair)?
I think it would be weird if you already did color your character that way, they should atleast let you color your SSJ form.(but...then the iconic knowing that it IS your SSJ form is lost.) Also if you choose Goku's or Trunk's basic hair, will it swap into Their SSJ hair as well? I mean since only Vegeta and Dorky Adult Gohan keeps theirs same.

MysticGospel

09-08-2011, 03:03 AM

I'm guessing that each hairstyle has its own SSJ form, though I think that a good amount of them are going to be a gold version of the hairstyle.

Frieza_Soldier

09-08-2011, 03:27 AM

But I doubt most of the hair will change shape in SSJ form.
At least you can add lightning though.

MysticGospel

09-08-2011, 03:44 AM

Yeah, that's what I said.

Zienzo

09-08-2011, 04:07 AM

I would think the longer hair styles are the only ones that do something when transformed such as the berserker style or C17's hair.

Zuumaester

09-08-2011, 04:49 AM

I would think the longer hair styles are the only ones that do something when transformed such as the berserker style or C17's hair.

Trunks's short hairstyle propably won't change. And i really want to edit my Ssj form to have blue hair, or at least a more orange tinge to the golden hair.

Zienzo

09-08-2011, 04:55 AM

I would assume that Trunks' hair would turn to his Super Saiyan hair.

Zuumaester

09-08-2011, 05:02 AM

I would assume that Trunks' hair would turn to his Super Saiyan hair.

The pipsqueak will have Short Trunks hair. Good Broly character will have either Broly's hair or Shu's hair from Blue Dragon. The last character i'm going to at least imitate how i would look like. Question: If we are restricted to males only, can we add a moustache or a beard?

Teh Guy Dude

09-08-2011, 07:49 PM

So are you telling me that you can only go SS1 in hero mode?????????????

Zuumaester

09-08-2011, 07:56 PM

So are you telling me that you can only go SS1 in hero mode?????????????

You'll still have your character be WAY stronger than Super Vegetto.

Teh Guy Dude

09-08-2011, 08:03 PM

So, you can only go super saiyan 1, thats...dumb. Why coulden't they add super saiyan 2-4?

Frieza_Soldier

09-08-2011, 08:06 PM

So, you can only go super saiyan 1, thats...dumb. Why coulden't they add super saiyan 2-4?
Probably because of the hair and model.

Zuumaester

09-08-2011, 08:08 PM

So, you can only go super saiyan 1, thats...dumb. Why coulden't they add super saiyan 2-4?

Obviously because they either don't have time to model the different hairstyles or bodytypes to resemble those transformations in form, due to time constraints. Or that they don't want you to mess with what happened in the anime or manga. But then again, this weakling Bandai-sama is owning Golden Oozaru Bebi with little to no effort, so that is serious plothax!

Teh Guy Dude

09-08-2011, 08:18 PM

Maybe we have some hope, maybe they just don't have it in yet. Its a thin ray, but its there.

Frieza_Soldier

09-08-2011, 08:32 PM

Maybe we have some hope, maybe they just don't have it in yet. Its a thin ray, but its there.
I doubt they will do it, and the whole point was working to be a SSJ, not replacing Goku.

Nasiso

09-08-2011, 08:36 PM

Meh, we still don't know a lot about the mode story wise. We know we fight Baby and Piccolo was once our master. That's it. There's some reason to believe that we will be able to go up to SSJ4

Zuumaester

09-08-2011, 08:37 PM

I doubt they will do it, and the whole point was working to be a SSJ, not replacing Goku.

If anything, the next game that has a character creator might allow for higher transformations. Though that is if the creator's main mode has multiple paths for Good, Neutral and Evil characters, and is not as restricted as the one in UT.